Double Post, Tonight

[amuly]

Okay, I was trying to just fit all this into the Gwil's A/N for tonight, but it just got almost as long as the fucking fic, so I'm going to end up posting twice tonight. My apologies.

Orders of Business!

1.] Go vote over at jack_ianto_las . I'm still in it – barely – and I can't vote since I can't read fanfic during lent. So vote in place of me, fabulous readers!

2.] Tattoo. So. You fabulous internet friends of mine. I know you're a talented bunch. Are any of you particularly skilled graphic designers? I'm looking to get a tattoo designed, and I have a sort of rough idea THING of what I want to do, but I =/= art-savvy. I'd be willing to work out a deal w/ you for designing it: fic exchange, LJ v-gift – hell, I'd be willing to buy you a paid account if you can make me something good. So, anyone out there? (And I reserve the right to not like your art if you contact me. I mean, this WOULD be something going permanently on me, so I'm not going to try and save your feelings and getting it if I don't like it, you know? Sorry :{ )

Um.... Yes. Okay, I think that was it. So it wasn't quite as long as the fic itself, but it WAS getting too unwieldy for the author's note.

Anyway, see you in about an hour with Gwil!


Edit:

Just realized, after chatting w/ a_silver_story in the comments, that I need to explain this a little bit more. So:


I basically need someone with an artistic brain to combine these three things:



^Principle of Non-Contradiction (PNC)




^Kepler's 3rd Law of Planetary Motion



^An illustration of the method Socrates uses to demonstrate his recollection theory of knowledge as described in the "Meno".


I want to combine these in like, a pretty way. Basically I was thinking solar system model diagram, w/ the "P" equation (that's the PNC) as one of the foci, and then the Meno square (the square, obviously) as the form of the triangle who's area is getting cut out in the Kepler's third law (solar system thingy) diagram.

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[a-silver-story.livejournal.com]

I wouldn't mind giving tattoo art a go. I'd love to at least try, anyway. I am an artist and I have artistic schooling. If you don't like what I do and nobody else offers, I am moving to a graphics and artistic design company in May so I may even be able to coax somebody there into helping.

I have a deviantART here: Click Here For My DeviantART (just be wary of my pre-tablet and post-tablet drawings... they get better, I swear)


And I also have two WIPs that I'll share with you:

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^^ Click to Enlarge ^^
<sub>N/b: Dr. Bob is with tablet, Jack is pre-tablet. So ... erm... yeah.

oh, and Jack's a lot closer to completion than Dr. Bob. But... pleh. I dunno why that's important.</sub>

[amuly.livejournal.com]

Your art is totally decent enough for me to try and work with you ^.^

But, actually, I was looking for something... erm... easier? ... for someone to work with me with. Like, no portraits or anything like that. I basically need someone with an artistic brain to combine these three things:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/b/d/e/bde889037eb29d844171c1aa4eeed2b5.png


http://www.mrfizix.com/home/universalgravitation_files/image058.jpg


http://ceemrr.com/Geometry1/ExactValue/Meno1.png


In like, a pretty way. Basically I was thinking solar system model diagram, w/ the "P" equation (that's the PNC) as one of the foci, and then the Meno square (the square, obviously) as the form of the triangle who's area is getting cut out in the Kepler's third law (solar system thingy) diagram.

*breath*

Um...


So, yeah. Do you have any clue how to work with this whole jumble and make it, like, pretty? Because I want it to be pretty ;__;

[a-silver-story.livejournal.com]

I'll play with it now and see what I can come up with :)

[amuly.livejournal.com]

Oh! Note:

I prefer the PNC written as:

~(p&~p)

^Those are two "tilda's" there - the squiggly lines. The p's should be lowercase, and you can use an ampersand, dot, or the little half-triangle shown in the picture as the middle sign.

[a-silver-story.livejournal.com]

Hmm okay. I just copied the picture that I already had, so I'll turn those into ~ and the & for the next one.

I totally forgot to ask where the tatto was actually going to go, so worked on compacting the design so that it could go pretty much anywhere. I couldn't quite visualise what you were describing, so if you don't like what I've done (which you probably won't - it's only a frist draft) could you describe it a little clearer (and for thick people who work in terms of 'pretty circle' and 'square with a square and two little kisses in it) if you want me to create that. I mean ... I don't even know if your square with kisses in is allowed to be upside down and rotated a bit...

Anyway, I don't mind spending time on all this to get it perfect (otherwise I wouldn't have offered) so be brutally honest, becuase obviously this is a tad permanent.

So yes: hand-drawn rough idea:

[amuly.livejournal.com]

Ooo, you did something wrong that I actually kind of like:

Okay, the "Meno" square I actually want as one of the triangles INSIDE the "solar system" - or rather, half of the square forming half of one of the triangles, yeah?

But the thing you did wrong - having the square all on the outside - made me think: graph paper look. So keep the griding - however you want it - in the background. Just line it up so it makes some kind of sense in the end.

PNC thing:

I want it somehow to be the dot that the two "solar system" triangles converge on. Yeah, I have NO CLUE how to make that work/look good. But the whole point of the PNC is that it's the "God" expression in logic, so I want it at the "center" of my whole little universe.

Um...

I have some more stuff about the Meno square I want to tell you, but try doing whatever the hell it is I just described for now, and we can tweak more, later. (Eeee fun! ^.^)

[amuly.livejournal.com]

(Tomorrow, when I'm not about to go to sleep, I will sketch some stuff for you, so if any of this is just completely weird and confusing, no worries. - and you may want to "force" one of those triangles on the inside of the solar system to be a right triangle. It'll make it easier to overlay the half of the meno square ontop of it. Again, sketches of what I'm describing coming your way tomorrow :P)

[a-silver-story.livejournal.com]

Ahh see that's where you confused me - so I'm allowed to move the little planets on the outer ring so that it all fits geometrically?

Also: where is the tattoo going, so I can think about positioning and space?

[amuly.livejournal.com]

Yeah, move the planets all you want. In fact, you don't even need to show the planets - just the triangles. The point of the Law is that the two triangles are equal in area... actually, if you overlay that grid background, you could really make those two triangles the same area, just by counting up the squares/grids that make them up (<-- This would make my year).

I'm going for my hip. So, it can be... eh, half the size of my fist or so, is what I was thinking? Maybe a full fist? Somewhere around that size (I have relatively small to average sized hands for a girl.)

[a-silver-story.livejournal.com]

If you could hang on for a couple of minutes, I have an idea...

[a-silver-story.livejournal.com]

Right, I haven't figured out how to put the equation in, but what if I made it something along the lines of this:





(just imagine it's black)


EDIT: that should say 'I haven't figured out how to put the equation in YET.' I'm working on it XD

[amuly.livejournal.com]

O nooooo!!!!

Can't be a circle. Has to be an ellipse.

Sorry. Should have mentioned that at some point :{

The point of the third law is that w/ the elliptical orbit of the planets, they move faster the closer they get to the sun, so the triangles get "fatter". Then when they move away on the ellipse, they move slower, but the triangle is still the same area, just "skinnier".

So nooo! It has to be an ellipse! :P

[a-silver-story.livejournal.com]

hahahahah LOLOLOL

More like this?

[amuly.livejournal.com]

*wince* No.
(Sorry!)

The big DOT in the center (focus) can't be in the center.
Ellipse:

(*___*) <- two foci, on either side.

Circle:
(*) <- single center point, in the exact center

And the triangles DO need to differ in SHAPE, but not AREA (I know, this is ridiculous).
So, example:

Area of a triangle: 1/2(b*h)

So you can have a triangle 6x4, so fatter than it is tall, be the same area as a triangle 3x8, taller than it is fat. both of their areas = 12, but they have totally different dimensions. THAT'S how the two triangles need to be in the ellipse: one fat, one skinny, but both with the same area.

And the big dot needs to be off to one side (the fatter triangle needs to be the one closer to the focus, as well, as you can see in the diagram thingy).

I KNOW. IT'S A FUCKING MATH TATTOO. I'm so sorry! DDDDD:

[a-silver-story.livejournal.com]

OHHHHHHHHHHHH. Right I'm actually understanding now. See - I'm learning!

I'll sleep on it and cobble some more ideas together - with an ellipse, two different sized triangles with the same area, a sun, the equation, and the special square with the kisses in it.

And it will look cool.

I actually have some graph paper, so I can properly play around with the square background.

[a-silver-story.livejournal.com]

Ignore the planets I forgot to rub out...

[a-silver-story.livejournal.com]

And I'll make the ellipsis slightly bigger do that the triangles reach the points of the square.